Oops! I bought a Chinese electric motorcycle... - Endless Sphere

06 May.,2024

 

Oops! I bought a Chinese electric motorcycle... - Endless Sphere

WickedTico said:

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My questions are:
1. What initial speed should I expect?

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Never heard of this controller, but if the "260" in the 72260 number refers to the phase amps, then it won't be glorious.
If it refers to the battery amps, then it might be pretty nice.
So it's hard to answer, you'll need to open the bike and show us pics of the controller when you'll receive the machine, then maybe we can tell you how good (or bad) it is. If I had to bet right now, I'd say that the controller is likely to be an APT controller. In which case, it would be a good controller brand, but unfortunately you picked the weakest version, which is only 60Amps battery. That might be real sluggish.
Usually at 72V you should be able to reach 70-80 km/h easy, but I'm not sure it will be the case with such low power controller on such heavy bike.

WickedTico said:

2. What initial range should I expect?

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Totally depends on how fast you ride. Usually a 40Ah battery should give you anything between 40 to 80/90 km of autonomy, but that totally depends on you riding style. Also, it will depend of your battery quality, if it struggles to deliver the power then your automony will decrease dramatically.

WickedTico said:

3. What's the first upgrade I will need?
1. Any faulty or garbage components that I should expect to replace immediately

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First thing I would replace is all the wiring. It's usually garbage and the main cause of lots of problems later.
Also, the front brake calipers look like they won't last very long, I'd change that.

There is a good chance that the battery won't be anything good, so I'd probably try to find a better one.
I think the only thing that you can probably keep is the motor, if it is a QSmotor. They are usually pretty good and will last a really long time if they pass their first 1000km.

WickedTico said:

2. Desire 50 mile range

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Again, depends at which speed. But obviously you'll need a bigger battery.

WickedTico said:

3. Desire 80mph speed

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Higher voltage battery, likely over 100V, new controller capable of handling such voltages at minimum 200 Amps of battery current.
Motor might be fine, but not sure.

WickedTico said:

4. Accompanying upgrades to support 2 and 3 (ex: new brakes for higher speed; i'm guessing)

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First thing would be the tires, they usually suck real bad, then lighting. Already mentionned brakes and wiring. I recommend you to cover any plastic in vinyl and well as paint the inside of them, some factories use crappy plastics that don't tolerate UV really well, so after a few months they start disintegrating. My bike came with amazingly good plastics which was a big surprize, but most other bikes I saw were real bad.

Never heard of this controller, but if the "260" in the 72260 number refers to the phase amps, then it won't be glorious.If it refers to the battery amps, then it might be pretty nice.So it's hard to answer, you'll need to open the bike and show us pics of the controller when you'll receive the machine, then maybe we can tell you how good (or bad) it is. If I had to bet right now, I'd say that the controller is likely to be an APT controller. In which case, it would be a good controller brand, but unfortunately you picked the weakest version, which is only 60Amps battery. That might be real sluggish.Usually at 72V you should be able to reach 70-80 km/h easy, but I'm not sure it will be the case with such low power controller on such heavy bike.Totally depends on how fast you ride. Usually a 40Ah battery should give you anything between 40 to 80/90 km of autonomy, but that totally depends on you riding style. Also, it will depend of your battery quality, if it struggles to deliver the power then your automony will decrease dramatically.First thing I would replace is all the wiring. It's usually garbage and the main cause of lots of problems later.Also, the front brake calipers look like they won't last very long, I'd change that.There is a good chance that the battery won't be anything good, so I'd probably try to find a better one.I think the only thing that you can probably keep is the motor, if it is a QSmotor. They are usually pretty good and will last a really long time if they pass their first 1000km.Again, depends at which speed. But obviously you'll need a bigger battery.Higher voltage battery, likely over 100V, new controller capable of handling such voltages at minimum 200 Amps of battery current.Motor might be fine, but not sure.First thing would be the tires, they usually suck real bad, then lighting. Already mentionned brakes and wiring. I recommend you to cover any plastic in vinyl and well as paint the inside of them, some factories use crappy plastics that don't tolerate UV really well, so after a few months they start disintegrating. My bike came with amazingly good plastics which was a big surprize, but most other bikes I saw were real bad.

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Delving into the bold sales strategy for electric two-wheelers, currently implemented in China, targeted at Generation Z, which includes initiatives such as cross-industry collaborations..

Total ownership of 340 million units. The reasons behind the widespread of electric two-wheelers in China

As of 2023, the total number of electric two-wheeler ownership has reached 340 million. This figure is 30 times the number of electric automobiles. Especially prevalent is the Electric Bicycle, which is a bicycle equipped with an electric motor.

The electric two-wheelers are broadly classified into three type.

The expansion of the electric two-wheeler market can be attributed to...

・Since Electric Bicycles(EB) do not require a license to operate, this makes it easier for beginners in electric mobility to start riding.

・The expansion of EV charging infrastructure is also a significant driving force.

・Air pollution and frequent traffic accidents have been a cause for concern, leading to regulations that restrict the issuance of license plates for gasoline-powered motorcycles at the time of purchase.

The Three Honda EB Siblings are targeted at Generation Z

- In January 2023, Honda announced three electric two-wheeler models in China. Please tell us the features of each model.

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All three models fall under the category of Electric Bicycle (EB) in the classification of electric two-wheelers. They feature refined designs targeted at a younger generation, while preserving the traditional silhouette, these models emphasize an iconic style. 

The user base for Honda's two-wheelers primarily consists of individuals in their 40s to 50s. They often use Honda motorcycles as practical means of transportation for daily life and work.

However, to thrive, the world's largest market, we believed that it was necessary to venture into new branding targeting the next generation. It was in this search and exploration that the "Three Siblings" were born.  - Yusuke Koyama

Motorcycle Marketing & Product Planning Division, Manager : Yusuke Koyama


- Why target the Z generation?

The Z generation in China is adept at using social media, and they are a group that is sensitive to trends and have a high level of information awareness. Moving freely to desired spots at any time without being bound by time or location.

With their free-spirited nature and a desire for self-expression, the "Three Siblings" could be more than just a means of transportation for China's Generation Z. They might be embraced as tools for self-expression, becoming an integral part of their lifestyle. With that in mind, we have significantly shifted our branding strategy.

The “Three Siblings” will be a turning point for Honda in realizing the next-generation brand development.      - Huang He

DreamWing Business Department, Assistant Manager/Senior Supervisor : Huang He


- To resonate with the Z generation, what kind of ingenuity did you put into it?

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The situation of the pop-up exhibition held at the 'niko and ...' store on Nanjing West Road in Shanghai.

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As a result of this project, the amount of on-site work has increased. Going out more has broadened my perspective, allowing me to envision customers' lifestyles in a more concrete manner.

The reason I originally became interested in Honda was because of the motorcycle my father used to ride. Even after more than 30 years, this motorcycle is still running, and the trust in the Honda brand that began back then has continued to this day.

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